Nikon D850 - the best DSLR ever built
The D810 - most of the D850 for less money
The New Z8 Mirrorless offering
Introduction
If you have visited my gear section, you will see I still own a variety of DSLRs and mirrorless camera bodies. I’ve always essentially reconciled the following fact: I can do what I do with cameras 10-15 years old easily. One of the reasons for this; I simply do not require the bells and whistles of modern mirrorless. However, it goes deeper than this. Sensor technology has really not improved much at all since the 36 megapixel design that came along in 2012 with the D800 body, and a few years later, in the D810. For me, this is existential, because I can and do literally still use these bodies today and notice zero difference in the final result. In fact, sometimes the newer mirrorless designs are slightly more noisy (Nikon Z8 has more noise containted in the RAW data due to it’s stacked sensor design). Here I want to consider what using DSLRs would mean going forward.
Pros and Cons
You may know I have written about the pros / cons of mirrorless and DSLRs already. As I read my own words, part of me still feels ‘gamed’ by the consumerist, marketing machine that we are all wrapped up in. I’ve already stated that because I don’t need anything more than fairly basic autofocus (even for my wedding work), that the only real thing that matters to me is the sensor tech and camera reliability - dependability. I already had this. Despite this, I need to be fair to mirrorless; I did gain things with the Nikon Z8. I get access to more modern lenses, USB charging, advanced autofocus for those times I might need that. It’s much better at night. What do I mean by this? Well I mean ergonomically. The screen, the liveview, I can see what I am shooting. It’s much easier, it is. However, it’s not impossible to shoot with say a D850 in the dark. I mean I did it for nearly a decade and I was absolutely fine. I must admit I really love the Nikon D850 overall. It is an extremely advanced, back-side illuminated sensor with extremely low noise, high detail and good colour output. The RAW files have phenomenal pull-ability, it is a camera that absolutely has the best 35mm format sensor ever. As mentioned, it even edges out the Z8 slightly, and the Z7ii (it has no focus grid burried in the data etc).
The Things I Had Not Considered
Through time certain things have come to realisations about mirrorless camera technology.
One of the very obvious things about mirrorless is the fact the sensor is always on whenever the camera is operational. Mirrorless cameras literally show a ‘live-view’ electronic readout of the sensor, there’s no optical finder to look through. This actually means that mirrorless sensors tend to degrade much faster than DSLR variants, because they are always on, all the time, when the camera is being used and the wait time between each picture, that sensor is on, whereas DSLRS can be used without sensor activation right up til the point of taking the physical shot. (Of course, it’s a similar situation between the two in astrophotography, as the live view is used on the DSLR, typically). So what do we notice? Nikon have included a remap pixels option in their mirrorless line, and they know fine well why they are offering this. I notice that pixels burn out and die much more in these sensor designs. Whilst I don’t expect them to die any time soon, I really doubt in 20-30 years they will even function, or function close to how they were at the start of their life…(I know to many this might sound strange, but I am still shooting with a D700 that has a sensor that functions without issue from 2008). I like my stuff to last, and old antequated concept I know, but that’s me. I thrive on such a mantra.
Further to the above, sensor technology really hasn’t improved much in over a decade. The biggest advance has been back-side illumination (present in the D850), which basically reduecs noise by improving signal to noise ratio. The most recent ‘advancement’ is the use of global shutters. These are ultra fast sensors that read the entire sensor at one time, meaning no unusual effects, banding or in video modes, any jello effects. However, they come at a huge cost; their image quality really suffers in the noise department. They really only belong with sports photographers. So as I have mentioned, sensor technology isn’t really much different at the time of writing (summer 2025), compared to a D810 which was released a decade ago. Think of how cheap a D810 is now compared to the latest mirrorless camera and you will understand what I am trying to say here.
Next up, I am going to come out and state this; optical finders are nicer to shoot with in nearly every situation except astrophotography. I do not understand why wedding or sports photographers would want to stare at a TV screen all day, for me, I’ve lost the very real connection to the subject that I see through my D700, D800, D810, D850 viewfinder. This will likely be a polarising opinion to many readers, however it is my firmly held view. I accept as most will likely agree, that for astrophotography, DSLRs are used like mirrorless cameras, they use a live sensor feed we came to call ‘Live View’ at the inception of early digital.
Autofocus is generally better with the latest mirrorless, however that is only applied to the latest in Nikon land, the Z7 and Z7ii variants are worse than the D850 in my opinion and I generally dislike these models for a lot of different reasons. So has mentioned, I’ll give autofocus recognition to Nikon’s latest flagship - the Nikon Z8 right now. That said, most of the time I shoot things that either don’t move (landscapes), portraits. We don’t need high tech autofocus to do this, no matter what anyone tells you. Learn to use the camera you have and you will likely be good with it. The D810 and especially the D850, can more than handle this. You will not have eye autofocus technology, however most pictures made in the last hundred years didn’t either…One caveat I might be inclined to include here would be about the fact that the D850 is on par, or perhaps just slightly better in low light than the Z8, in terms of autofocus. It works better with flash assist lights, etc; so bare this in mind.
Battery life is another huge point. It will likely never be such that a mirrorless design will even approach a DSLR in terms of how far the battery can go. (Especially if you pop a ‘C’ variant battery into the D850 from the mirrorless line. It just goes forever!) Yes I am aware that a mirrorless camera could shoot thousands of shots in the time it is on, however once you concede a mirrorless camera has a battery drain from the moment it is switched on, unlike DSLRs, you know they will never win in these stakes, especially if like me, you do not smash the shutter button constantly and you wait for pictures. Mirrorless sensors have the clock ticking from the first image taken, every moment looking through the finder we are sucking battery life out of the camera. Of course, the opposite is true with any DSLR. The power drain is negligible until the shot is physically taken, and the mirror slides up to reveal the sensor and make the exposure.
DSLRs always have mechanical shutters. There are many mirrorless designs that forgo this, ala the Z8, and use a fast readout sensor to compensate for it. I can tell you from experience, this gives some damn strange and wonky results when shot anywhere near LED lighting. Do you have any idea how often one encounters LED lighting in this age? It’s everywhere. It’s throughout a large part of my house (not the bedrooms). Nikon have included tweak settings to calm the problems down (banding and other wonkyness) but it’s a huge faff and gets in the way of the picture. It’s not fun in the slighest, and it’s not my scene at all. Needless to say, indoors when the lights are on, I don’t even reach for the Z8. I can’t trust it in those situations like I can my DSLRs.
Adapter Faff is a thing. They make things really crappy, ergonomically. Whilst I use my Tamron 35/1.4 (an optically superb, class leading optic) on my Z8, I wouldn’t call it enjoyable. The lens sits so far in front of the body, it is front heavy and overly large. On a DSLR, it feels much better, in every way. The big camera companies might have to reconcile a simple fact from me; I’m very happy with my lenses. You too, might want to continue shooting with a favourite lens. and not fork out again for essentially the same thing. In that case, I urge you to consider using them natively, on DSLRs. The further interesting caveat here is, that the Tamron 35/1.4 (2019 design) beats any native 35mm lens on Z mount for astrophotography. So I loose nothing optically here, but save a bunch of money.
Mirrorless don’t have the Zen that DSLRs have. Let’s be fair. Hold a D700, a D810, a D850 and tell me that it doesn’t feel like a piece of precision built military equipment. Now do the same with comparable mirrorless designs. Yeah, they feel more like electronics and consumables that will not last the test of time compared to solidly built DSLRs. (A bit like electric cars!). This will matter to some, and not to others. Again, the experience of shooting to me is heightened by such things. I like and appreciate the solid feel of a precision built instrument in my hands. It feels empowering, and it is.
Shooters nowadays are so caught up in the type of camera used to take a picture. They have forgotten that it is for the most part, completely irrelevant if a mirrorless camera were used or not to take the picture. The end result, is always a digital still image. This is a bold statement, however it is very true. Infact, as we have shown, tech has taken one step forward and two steps back in some cases (consider the Z8, which has third stop less dynamic range over the D810 and D850 DSLRs, in order to achieve a faster readout, and better autofocus). We just horse traded, but came out with the thing that produces the final result, the physical sensor, being worse off! Do’h! Consider this, when you fork out for that ‘upgrade’.
The Andromeda Galaxy. Shot with a Nikon D850 and a telephoto zoom lens (70-200/2.8E)
Dismayed By Photography
I was speaking to a friend I’ve known for many years now via a well known photography forum. He is a very experienced birder predominantly and he has said something quite profound several times now that I reconcile with deeply:
“How many more pictures does the world actually need of birds in flight, or birds sitting on branches? Or Landscapes? Pretty girls in portraits with bokeh backgrounds? Or milky way shots?”
I know, this might sound quite doom and gloom, but actually consider what he says for a moment and on a deeper level, there is some truth to this. It’s also interesting that he openly admits it from his own genre. Motivation to shoot can be low for many reasons, however I would say this could be the strongest contender. Aside from folks trying to become ‘Insta-famous’ at any cost (reels and funny dances on the popularity contest that is social media), I think many recognise that every genre has been done to death in almost every way possible. So why does this matter? Well, if one is being more selective about when they go out and do this (as I am), cost effectiveness comes into play much quicker, than it did at the fast evolving early digital age when camera tech leaped and bounded with each new camera. I don’t see much innovation now. I don’t see things that excite me that much that parting with 3K really makes any difference, for the most part. If I am honest, a D800 / D810 would let me match anything anyone is doing now, bar sports. That’s a heck of a saving, if I can forgo some bells and whilstles (which for the most part, I absolutely can). Take a look at the image here which I shot of Andromeda. Do you have any idea how many pictures there are of this galaxy online? The difference is; this one is mine ;-) .
What About When The DSLR Fails?
I’ve heard this argument a lot. Even if you are in your early 20s, there are enough DSLRs in the world to last a very long time (ebay, craigslist etc). There are also going to be places that can repair them, if you cannot simply buy a new copy (which I conceed, will sometimes be the easier option). This wouldn’t worry me in the slightest. I couple it with the previous paragraph. I am being much more selective in my work now; I am shooting less frames than I ever have done.
Final Thought
At the moment, this is more of a thought piece. Perhaps the only thing that saves the Z8 with me, is infact the landscape astrophotography genre. There are of course, camera’s from other brands comparable in some ways to the Z8, like the Sony ARIV have functions which benefit photographer’s working in the dark, like the Z8 does. I wrote this because I still see the value in DSLRs, and probably always will. If you can avoid mirrorless, I actually would! This is coming from someone who has a top line mirrorless body and four ultimately pro and very expensive lenses.
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Steve